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Rob Port at Wizbang! also linked to uber-conservative John Miller's Wall Street Journal editorial on eliminating Indian reservations. Port's take was somewhat different than mine:

To me, this all indicates one thing: We are doing Indians a grave disservice by keeping them on the reservation. Which isn't to say that we're forcing them to say on the reservation, because we aren't. But we are giving the incentives to stay there along the lines of government entitlement and special priveleges, and that has made the problem worse. The handling of the reservation system to this point has only created a series of isolated communities where dependence on government welfare programs is the rule, not the exception. I just don't see why that should continue.

Of course, Port, like Miller, makes no mention of the hundred billion dollars owed Indians in uncollected land, oil and gas, water, and mineral lease royalties. Anyone who truly cared about the "plight of reservation Indians" would think that all that money earned through pure and unfettered capitalism would make a huge dent in those miserable economic conditions.

But in reading Wizbang's comments, you get to see what Conservatives really think about Indians and tribal sovereignty:

The money they get isn't in the treaties. If they want sovreignty, they should lose the right to vote as long as they are on the reservation and they should get no federal largesse, including medical care. Let them live on their land as their forefathers did. If they want to live the way we do, they should start doing so and ending the plantation reservation system.

Posted by: Mrs. Davis at January 27, 2006 08:30 PM

Now, I am very ignorant about the history of indian reservations, but aren't they there to allow the native Americans to presesrve their historic way of life? If so, didn't they live for thousands of years without government subsidies? I think it's analagous to the problem in inner-city slums, too, in that when you provide no incentive for someone to do anything, they don't. I know this sounds very mean but take the subsidies away and make them either get jobs with the rest of the United States or return to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle (like I think the reservations are meant to be).

Posted by: indolene at January 27, 2006 08:34 PM

But the indian tribes are SOVEREIGN NATIONS by our own treaties.

If so, it's a non-standard definition of "sovereign." In reality these are about as sovereign as South Africa's onetime "Bantu-stans."

Posted by: McGehee at January 27, 2006 11:15 PM

And they are still called "Native Americans". I still want a description of "native". How long does one have to live in a country (how many generations) before you are "native"?

Posted by: jocrazy0 at January 28, 2006 08:59 AM

... Finally, you get down to the most cruel trick every played on Native Americans by the dominate culture, which is that they been given an excuse to fail. With a ready excuse and a enough free money to survive, most individuals fall into the trap set for them by the liberal feel good politics of the late 20th century. The effectiveness of that trap is evident in the blighted conditions seen on the reservations and the ruined lives of it's residents. Out of love for our Native American brothers and sisters we should do away with that cruel trick.

Posted by: Mac Lorry at January 28, 2006 09:52 AM

Under 'International Law' one sovereign state can dissolve a treaty with another. At will. For no reason. The offended sovereign state has remedies. War. Dissolution of other treaties. Tarriffs on trade.

We can dissolve Indian treaties any time we find the courage to do so.

The only time the left talks about international law is when they like the outcome.

Why have we imposed on these poor people the worst of socialism? Was it because during the formative years of the system socialism was really truly believed by many to be helpful? Was it because of our silly dreams of the noble savage wandering the wilderness?

Whatever, it is now shameful and indefensible. End the treaties. Integrate the Indians. Give them each $100,000.00 (or whatever) and standard title to their land by auction, allocation or draw or something. Fire tens of thousands of rapacious bureaucrats.

Posted by: Fred Z at January 28, 2006 11:48 AM

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Comments

..."we're giving them incentives to stay."

my ass! What we are giving them is Jack Abramoff to shield the indian casinos from scrutiny, scruples or compitition.

Hmmmm, maybe white man still screw indian.

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as tex hall, the outgoing chair of the national congress of american indians notes in indian country today, in the secret writing system known only to indians and unknown to whites, indian gaming is the most scrutinized industry in north america.

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And those are just the racist conservatives that know how to spell and use a computer. Then ones I grew up around just stood on the water's edge and threw rocks.

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I should double check my comments that poke fun of other's literacy for errors before I post them.

[hey tom, you forgot your rock. ebw ;-)]

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