Professor Bainbridge, of the UCLA law school, is one of my favorite bloggers on the right. Today, he has some questions for conservatives about private accounts:
So here's some questions for my fellow conservatives who support private accounts:
1.Would we achieve significant actuarial improvements in the health of the Social Security system by (a) changing the method by which the benefit is calculated from being based on wages to one based on prices (see Tyler Cowen's post for details) and (b) increasing the retirement age? Social security was designed for an era in which most folks would live to receive benefits for months rather than years. Why not deal with that problem directly? (Glenn Reynolds has a solution that goes somewhat in the other direction.)2. If we can achieve significant savings and ensure the health of the system with the changes mentioned in # 1, is there a non-ideological reason for introducing private accounts? Even proponents of private accounts concede that the transition costs will require trillions of dollars of government borrowing. Do we conservatives really want revenge on FDR and the New Deal at that price? Personally, speaking as a small government fiscal conservative kind of guy, I'd give up personal accounts if any money thereby saved was spent on deficit reduction or, better yet, an income tax rate cut.
3.Why aren't conservatives talking about other entitlement programs, such as Medicare, which reportedly is scheduled to go broke long before Social Security does?
Should conservatives get their facts straight before asking or answering questions about Social Security?
I refer, of course, to the premise that:
Social security was designed for an era in which most folks would live to receive benefits for months rather than years.
The "months, not years" argument confuses life expectancy at birth with life expectancy at retirement age. Let’s go to the Social Security Administration FAQ’s for the definitive explanation:
If we look at life expectancy statistics from the 1930s we might naturally come to the conclusion that the Social Security program was designed in such a way that people would work for many years paying in taxes, but would not live long enough to collect benefits. Life expectancy at birth in 1930 was indeed only 58 for men and 62 for women. But life expectancy at birth in the early decades of the 20th century was low due to high infant mortality, and someone who died as a child would never have worked and paid into Social Security. A more appropriate measure is probably life expectancy after attainment of adulthood.As Table 1 shows, the majority of Americans who made it to adulthood could expect to live to 65, and those who did live to 65 could look forward to collecting benefits for many years into the future. So we can observe that for men, for example, almost 54% of the them could expect to live to age 65 if they survived to age 21, and men who attained age 65 could expect to collect Social Security benefits for almost 13 years (and the numbers are even higher for women).
Can we please, please get that right? The Social Security debate is an important one. Everyone engaged in the debate needs to have the basic facts about Social Security straight.
Posted by Dwight Meredith at February 16, 2005 07:06 PM | TrackBackDwight, great point. Hope Bobby is doing well.
Posted by: Peatey at February 17, 2005 12:09 AMConventional wisdom hopes that reality will kick in and that Medicare and Social Security will be boosted by mild payroll tax increases. All will benefit and there will be no shortfall in the future. Dubya, read my lips, raise our taxes!
Posted by: Steve Plonk at February 17, 2005 11:07 AMGood point. But then, you have to compare apples to apples. So, when life expectancy was 58, a man at retirement (62 or 65?) could expect to live 12 more years; then, with life expectancy now at -- what, 78? -- how long could a man at retirement expect to live? 20 years? 25?
I don't know. And I realize that some of the gain in life expectancy is due to lower infant mortality. But surely not all, or even most...
Yes, most. I refer you to this table, adapted from National Center for Health Statistics reports.
Considering, for example, white males, life expectancy at birth in 1929-31 was 59.1 years, while men who were then 70 (born 1859-61) could expect to live another 9.2 years. Compare that to the year 2001, where life expectancy at birth was 75.0 years, at age 70 (born 1931) 13.2 years. Thus, the "at birth" expectancy rose by 15.9 years, but "at 70" increased by just 4.0 years.
Going back to 1900-02, before the great advances in sanitation, it was 48.2 years at birth, 9.0 years at age 70. So, in a century, add an expected 26.8 years at birth, but just 4.2 years if he's made it to 70.
I note also that 70-year-old white males could expect 13.2 more years of Social Security in 2001, and 70-year-old non-whites could expect 11.7 years. What was Dubya saying (incorrectly) about that huge disparity for blacks?
Posted by: N in Seattle at February 17, 2005 02:32 PMIt appears to me that the "conservatives" (so-called, but radicals in fact) see no advantage in citing the facts, so they don't cite the facts. They see no advantage in sticking to the truth, so they don't stick to the truth.
This is repeated over and over. And it's not the behavior of people who are interested in having a debate. It is consistent with simply being interested in advantage and ultimately in winning by whatever means come to hand.
Posted by: With NEW Washday Goodness! at February 17, 2005 08:22 PM... As with your previous post, which I had not yet read when I commented above.
Posted by: With NEW Washday Goodness! at February 17, 2005 08:31 PMNeither life expectancy at birth nor life expectancy at retirement age is the appropriate measure. What matters is the life expectancy at the time the worker is paying taxes to the Social Security system. Those who survived to retirement age probably got a good deal. Those who worked and paid taxes but died before retiring got a bad deal. Those who died before they started paying taxes were not affected either way. It would be interesting to see the life expectancy numbers for 20- or 40-year olds.
Posted by: Spec Bowers at February 23, 2005 06:30 PM